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Sound of Silence, part 1: An introduction to Cochlear Implants

Mon May 31, 2010 12:57 PM EDT
health, hearing, sound, silence, cochlear-implant, bionic-ear, cochlea
By Crusher.

Internal device

External device

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This article will be the starting point on documenting my journey from being near-deaf to a ‘re-introduction’ to the hearing world.

I’ll attempt to explain how a cochlear implant works. In a person with normal hearing, you have tiny microscopic hairs inside a ‘snail-like’ shell, which is located in the inner part of your ear. These tiny hairs conduct or funnel sound into the auditory nerve which processes sounds. For many of those people who are hard-of-hearing (HOH), profoundly deaf, minimal hearing, etc., the tiny hairs are virtually non-existent or dead. With a cochlear implant, the tiny electrode array is fed into the cochlea and when sounds are made, the device sends signals down the electrode array and the brain is able to process the sounds. Then you also have the external microphone that is worn, similar to a hearing aid, with a magnet that attaches to the implant. It’s sort of hard to explain, so refer to the pictures included.

According to my doctor, it is estimated that in about 20 years or so, with the use of stem-cell research, scientists will be able to regenerate the tiny hairs in the cochlea and restore natural hearing. In the mean time, I see no other option and I have decided that a CI is the most beneficial for me. There are some drawbacks to having a CI. Certainly, the cosmetics of having a device attached to the outside of your head and walking around like someone straight out of a Star Wars movie, is not appealing to me. In fact, during my research, one person described the sound made from a CI as: ‘Everyone sounds like Darth Vader or Mrs. Darth Vader’. With a CI, the device is permanent and you can not revert back to natural hearing at a later time. I enjoy music as much as the next person, but sadly haven’t been able to enjoy it at all for the past 3 years. While I understand that music will never sound the same again, I think it is fair to say that hearing sounds is better than hearing nothing.

A CI is not without controversy either. In the ‘Big D’ (D for deaf) community, people look at CIs and hearing aids as being an affront to those who are deaf. Typically those in the Big D group, are born deaf and communicate with sign language. They see themselves as a minority threatened by the ‘hearing’ majority. Often times those children now being born deaf are getting CIs while still in diapers and those in the Big D group don’t think that is fair to commit an infant to the ‘hearing’ majority without the child’s consent. Watch this video of an infant who just had his CI turned on for the first time.

Some relevant background on myself, I’ve worn hearing aids since I was in 3rd grade. I'm 33 years old and, up until about 3 years ago, could converse well in a group setting, talk over the phone and generally speaking led a fairly normal life. Keep in mind, there is a difference between pre-linguistic and post-linguistic hearing loss. Typically, those with pre-linguistic hearing loss were born deaf and are not able to speak as clearly as those with post-linguistic hearing loss. I’m an example of post-linguistic hearing loss.

I guess my hearing has been slowly becoming worse and worse over the years. It eventually reached the point to were I have had tinnitus (ringing in the ear) 24/7, for the past 3 years. Some days are worse than others, but it is what it is. As it stands right now, my hearing is virtually non existent and I’m still wearing two hearing aids. Most of my residual ‘hearing’ comes from bone conduction and I can still hear people’s voices, barely, yet can’t comprehend enough of the sound to process the speech. In order to communicate, I use my hearing aids and my self taught ability to lip-read combined to form a sort of metaphoric ‘puzzle’ to comprehend what the conversation is about. It’s not an exact science and I sometimes become easily confused on what was said. It’s certainly been a very frustrating time for my family and friends, to communicate with me.

The CI device, operation and the associated costs for rehab amount to about $100,000, in my own case, anyways. Being without insurance that would cover the cost, I was lucky to have a device donated to me, which amounted to half the total cost. Plus, I was equally fortunate to have a generous surgical team which donated much of the cost of the surgery and post surgical rehab. My surgeon at the Cleveland Clinic estimates that I will be able to hear about 80% that of a normal person, post surgery. It is important to understand that everyone adapts to the CI differently, so there is no absolute guarantee on the positive results. But due to my, relatively speaking, young age, residual hearing in my right ear, and my ability to already speak clearly…I should adjust fairly easily, at least that’s what they tell me.

According to the Wiki article on cochlear implants (CI), almost 200,000 people through out the world have cochlear implants, since April 2009. Due to the high cost of the devices, those people primarily live in the developed world/western countries.

Next week, I will be undergoing an operation for a Cochlear Implant. The surgeon will make a small incision behind my left ear, extract a few layers of skull bone to fit the recessed internal device and drill a small hole in my skull to fit the electrode array into my cochlea. I know it sounds bad, but the operation is considered outpatient with a surgical time of less than 2 hours. After two weeks recuperating, the first week also being without a shower, they will turn the device on.

To my surprise, there is even a cat with a CI...he doesn't look too happy...

So, what are your thoughts? Do you or anyone you know, have a CI?

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Crusher.

CoH please.

  • 5 votes
#1 - Mon May 31, 2010 12:58 PM EDT
Mike Rupert

Crusher, thank you for the email. My younger brother lost most of his hearing when he was about 3. He wears a hearing aid now, and it works for him mostly. You said this, "With a CI, the device is permanent and you can not revert back to natural hearing at a later time." What does that mean? Does it mean for the rest of your life the CI is your only option?

I'll be back later today to comment again.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 7:45 PM EDT
Crusher.

You said this, "With a CI, the device is permanent and you can not revert back to natural hearing at a later time." What does that mean? Does it mean for the rest of your life the CI is your only option?

@Mike Rupert: Great Question! Yes, according to my doctor and for the moment, a CI is permanent in that particular ear. It is possible for a CI to be defective and not known until after activation date, but in a case like that, they would simply swap broken device for a legitimate one. I suppose it could be possible in the future to 'create' another functioning cochlea to transplant into a patient but I think restoring the tiny hairs in your existing cochlea would be far more beneficial and certainly less invasive coupled with less chance of death/meningitis.

Tell me more, if you can, about your brother hearing loss. What is the extent of his hearing loss? If he only has hearing loss in one ear, he may not need a CI, but if he is bi-lateral (both ears), a CI may be very helpful for him. I obviously am not qualified to diagnose, but maybe I can help you find a specialist for him, if need be.

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 8:02 PM EDT
Mike Rupert

Hey again. Well he can't hear about the hearing aid, which he uses in one year, but he does well with it. He had a hearing loss when he was about 3 and then lost the rest of it quickly when he was about 9. He got a new hearing aid a few months ago which is way better than any he's ever used, and he's really happy with it. I think he does a pretty good of researching all of this. Maybe even researching CI, but I'd have to ask him.

What I was wondering with you was, you mentioned through stem cells in the future we may be able to help people tremendously. I was wondering specifically if you get a CI, does that mean you won't be able to be helped in the future if help created through the stem cells comes about?

  • 6 votes
#1.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 12:12 AM EDT
Crusher.

@Mike Rupert

Re-reading your first sentence took a minute to comprehend...lol sounds like me when I'm tipsy drunk. Based on my near life long experience with hearing aids and hearing problems, I can say that hearing aids will correct a lot of problems but they still have their limits. If your bro. functions well enough with a hearing aid, as per doctors recommendation, then I think it is probably likely that a CI isn't necessary. That isn't to say that a CI wouldn't be beneficial to your brother, but I'm not qualified to make that recommendation. My doctors recommended me to get bi-lateral CIs (one in each ear) but I decided against it. Mostly because the only benefit of a dual CI, would be better localization of sound. For example if I have 4 windows open (N,S, E,W) and I'm standing in the middle, a double CI (or 2 hearing aids) would better help me locate, from which direction, a sound was coming from.

What I was wondering with you was, you mentioned through stem cells in the future we may be able to help people tremendously. I was wondering specifically if you get a CI, does that mean you won't be able to be helped in the future if help created through the stem cells comes about?

If what my doctor predicts is accurate, who's to say that it won't be 10 more years after till the medical technology is perfected. To put it another way, the first working CI was installed in 1968 with 4 channel electrode array. Today's CI has 22-24 channel electrode array. Frankly, I don't think anyone knows for certain whether the 20 year prediction is on the early side or late side of the estimate, but I'm optimistic enough to only desire one CI. Which leads me to reason that...

...having only one CI installed and one natural ear, gives me a '50-50 chance (so to speak) of eventually having naturally restored hearing. The only other possible way that I could regain natural hearing in both ears is if stem cell research could somehow repair any damage left by the removed CI. Keep in mind, I'll have a small hole drilled in my skull to feed the electrode array into my cochlea, so you'll need the super glue to plug that one up :) There may be other issues that I'm not aware of, but to the best of my understanding, a properly installed and functioning CI, is permanent, for each ear.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 1:50 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

Crusher, I hope it all goes really well, and would like to know how everything goes with you, so it would be nice to keep in contact. I'm a pretty regular participant on Newsvine, so it's easy to catch me, or just email. I'm sure it'll go well for you, and this is all something to study more and keep good tabs on. I've always been amazed at the advancements we make in the scientific fields, the medical fields and the like. It's pretty fascinating, and have often thought that I would have liked to have been a doctor of some sort, if I had grown up a little differently. I'll have to ask my brother if he knows much about CI, as I'm probably pretty sure he at least knows a little. It's funny, when he was younger, people would treat him differently at first because he was hearing impaired. But they then realized after awhile that there was no reason to treat him differently. All you needed to do was speak up a little louder and maybe get his attention at first, but that's all. He loves to design websites, and he has a great eye for it. Since he has always been hearing impaired he's probably learned to be aware of things that most people aren't and probably one reason why he's great at doing things that require him to be aware of his visual surroundings. Do you find this to be true also?

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:27 PM EDT
Crusher.

Mike

Thanks for the kind words of encouragement. I see that I've piqued the interest in a number of people, so for that reason alone, I will keep posting periodic updates. Should be much more exciting once the CI is switched on, two weeks after surgery. I'm actually not real nervous or anything since its a fairly routine surgery and outpatient. You're welcome to contact me with any questions that you or your brother have at some point in the future. I'm also a fairly regular NV participant too, so it's easy to reach me as well. I've been quite skeptical of CIs in the past and didn't think I would ever want one simply because I didn't think I would need one. Well, little did I know that Mother Nature would soon put me in a position where I'd have to make a monumental decision. To commit my body to have a artificial device next to my brain, for the rest of my life. It sounds freaky but I think once you get past all the emotions and try to look at it rationally, you see that for someone who although struggled with hearing, could have the opportunity to return to darn near the same hearing that everyone else has. That is no small feat and I very much doubt that something on that order of magnitude exists for people with other disabilities such as being blind.

Do you find this to be true also?

Seems like your bro and I have some things in common. I've got a 4 year bachlelors degree in Computer Information Science, several computer certifications and 8 years experience. I would also consider myself to be a fairly observant person, better than most. Just based on your description of your brother, it sounds like he is the kind of person who thinks in a logical way and has a way of picking apart all the idiosyncrasies of a situation, before deciding how to act.

Mike, you taken a pretty active interest in the discussion so far, any idea what sub-topic I should focus on next? I have a few ideas but since this is a community, I'm trying to make the CI discussion more 'interactive', if you will.

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:18 PM EDT
weRdoomed

any idea what sub-topic I should focus on next?

I am going to throw out a suggestion even though you asked Mike =)
CI and sign language is any interesting topic.

  • 4 votes
#1.7 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 11:45 AM EDT
Mike Rupert

Crusher, it's Thursday, and I'm just getting back on my computer again. I want to respond to you, but can't until later tonight. It's a great discussion so far!

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 4:47 PM EDT
Crusher.

It's all cool Mike, I see no rush and I kinda figured you had some things going on. I'm sort of working on a FAQ (frequently asked questions) about CIs as a second article to the series.

Obviously for brevity's sake, I can't include or accurately answer all questions but I'm trying to answer the more important ones and addressing concerns for those who might be considering a CI or are in the 'infant' process of securing one for themselves (or a loved one).

  • 2 votes
#1.9 - Thu Jun 3, 2010 4:57 PM EDT
Mike Rupert

Hey Crusher, sorry about me not getting back 'til now. But, your last post was great. It's true that the help it can provide would be amazing. Your comparison about it with other disabilities is right on, considering people with other disabilities in large part cannot gain back what they'd lost. And I agree, sometimes to be able to look at a situation in a purely logical manner is the best thing. Truth is, we all have something, or even different things, that bother us about ourselves; but it's like, big deal. Everyone's got "their thing", everyone's different, and we're a very accepting society and a more understanding society than ever before. I think it's great in a way what you're doing. And yes, you and my brother seem to have a lot in common. What are your real interests in dealing with computers? My brother is a wizard with computers, and loves experimenting and discovering. He's way beyond most people.

And, I'd be willing to discuss anything related to this thread. It's a nice change for me also to be on a discussion like this. It's more "human" than a lot of things on Newsvine. In fact, my biggest problem is I don't search out different sections of Newsvine enough; but this has reminded me to do so, so thank you!

  • 2 votes
#1.10 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 1:09 PM EDT
Crusher.

Mike

What are your real interests in dealing with computers?

As far as computers go, I'm mainly interested in the network administration/network engineering aspect of the IT field. I also have about 5 years experience in the help desk/tech support side of computers. Though I must admit, overall, it's a tough field to get experience in and especially, here in the Cleveland metro area, jobs are hard to find in the IT arena.

And, I'd be willing to discuss anything related to this thread.

Well I've already written 3 additional updates, so feel free to check my column here on NV for the articles.

I think between now and the activation date, I'll probably do a side story and recap of the day of surgery. Not much else to write about till then.

  • 1 vote
#1.11 - Sun Jun 13, 2010 4:18 PM EDT
Mike Rupert

Awesome, Crusher. I'll check your updates. I'm behind! I wish you luck in your field. I wish I was more computer savvy. But I am a good typist :) You and my brother would get along well. He loves to talk about and be involved in his work. He's one of those people who loves to investigate, as I'm sure you do. I can't relate to that type of intelligence; but maybe it's more about being passionate about it. I think it's great. I'm going to check your other articles later today.

  • 2 votes
#1.12 - Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:54 PM EDT
Crusher.

Sounds good buddy

I'll see ya around Mr. Mike Rupert.

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Thu Jun 17, 2010 2:58 PM EDT
tyler

Just reading these now after seeing this video this AM. Nice writeup, Crusher., I'm gonna read the rest.

  • 2 votes
#1.14 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 4:57 PM EDT
Crusher.

Nice writeup, Crusher., I'm gonna read the rest.

Thanks Tyler. It's been a little over a year since the surgery...I should do a follow-up...been dragging my heals a bit, er a lot.

  • 2 votes
#1.15 - Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:26 PM EDT
anonymous-1077600

This is a great article, hope everything sounds well for you now!. Will be checking out you other ones too!

  • 1 vote
#1.16 - Fri Oct 14, 2011 2:42 PM EDT
Crusher.

Yes things are working well, thank you for asking. I can hear about 80% of a normal hearing range. About the only I still can't quite manage is speaking over the phone consistently. But that has to do with my habit of reading lips and hearing sound; then processing that into comprehension. I've gotten better over the phone but still not where I need to be.

  • 1 vote
#1.17 - Fri Oct 14, 2011 3:07 PM EDT
Clara Listensprechen

What about the Deaf community, a segment of which proclaims the CI to be child abuse?

  • 1 vote
#1.18 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:37 AM EDT
Crusher.

I'm not sure how to address your question Clara. I wrote briefly on the so-called 'Big D' community and there opposition to CI technology in this article. But because I've never been a member of that group of people, I hesitate to speak for them.

Frankly, I think the claims of child abuse of deaf children outfitted with a CI are absurd. Parents want what is best for their children and since the surgery is beyond comprehension of a 2 year old, the decision falls upon the parent. I don't see any legal merit from which to make a child abuse claim. It's not a very painful surgery and if a child decides later on that he or she doesn't want to wear the CI then that is certainly an option. I supposed they could also have it removed and since they are deaf in the first place, having the implant removed wouldn't affect them one way or the other.

  • 2 votes
#1.19 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:52 AM EDT
Clara Listensprechen

I'm not a member of that group either but I've heard much about it via interpreter circles. The traditionalists among the Big D, as you put it, are the most vehemently opposed to the thing and the impression I get is that technology simply threatens their way of life as well as ability to conscript others into its traditions. I also note with interest that many of this same group also view hearing people with disdain and it could very well be that the Big D people I've heard about are also hardcore radicals as well, whose reasoning isn't exactly a strong suit while inflammatory language would be a stronger suit.

  • 2 votes
#1.20 - Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:42 PM EDT
anonymous-1077600

I thought of another question, I came back to vote up all the comments, I had not voted all of them up yet, am still working on that.

Is there any research about people who put on a watch and the watch stops, do they appear to have more problems with implants like this? I have a relative that cannot wear a watch because of this.

It may be that there is no research into this, but it might be a question you could put to your doctor, that is if you are still going in for anymore visits, since you have had your implant in for so long now.

  • 1 vote
#1.21 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:10 PM EDT
Crusher.

Is there any research about people who put on a watch and the watch stops, do they appear to have more problems with implants like this? I have a relative that cannot wear a watch because of this.

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here. Do you mean that a wrist-watch stops because the magnet in the CI?

but it might be a question you could put to your doctor, that is if you are still going in for anymore visits, since you have had your implant in for so long now.

I will still be going to doctor (although, it's been 9 months since my last visit) periodically for updates to the CI. Sometimes the manufacturer comes out with software updates to program the CI, and they will call me in to update and reprogram my CI. So I will ask next time I am there, but I need you to clarify exactly what you're asking first.

  • 2 votes
#1.22 - Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT
anonymous-1077600

No, I mean there are people who put on watches and the watches stop! It is unknown why this happens to a small percentage of the population, but my thought was what if one of those persons needed a CI, would they be able to get one or would it also not work for them?

Like I said there may not be any studies on this, but I was curious if it had been looked into.

I know of a person who ca hold a compass and once they have held it, the compass stops pointing North.

  • 1 vote
#1.23 - Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:14 PM EDT
Crusher.

but my thought was what if one of those persons needed a CI, would they be able to get one or would it also not work for them?

I think the chances are pretty good that a CI would still work for those people. You're describing an unusual phenomenon which might have to do with a certain magnetic field in the persons body that others don't have. Regardless, I don't think a CI would have any affect on that strange phenomenon...I can ask my doctor sometime though. The magnet in my CI, both the internal and external one, are not any stronger than the average refrigerator magnet. Also, with the external part, I can change the strength of the magnet by taking it out and using a less powerful or more powerful magnet.

  • 2 votes
#1.24 - Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:00 PM EDT
anonymous-1077600

Thanks, could you let me know what his take on this it!

  • 1 vote
#1.25 - Sat Oct 29, 2011 6:30 PM EDT
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weRdoomed

I knew a girl in school with one, but my knowledge is minimal at best.

I am almost completely deaf in my left ear; since birth as far as we know. I have never used any hearing aids of any kind and it has not impacted my lifestyle in any way except that maybe I tend to sleep on my left side.

I worry sometimes that as I get older, my overall hearing will deteriorate (I am 25). My uncle is an ENT and suggested I look into whether I am a candidate for CI. Maybe my hearing will hold out another 20 years until they get those stem cells working!!

Best wishes to you - definitely keep us updated!

  • 6 votes
Reply#2 - Mon May 31, 2010 1:36 PM EDT
Crusher.

weRdoomed

Thanks for the well wishes. I'll probably write another quick column right before the surgery and one right afterwards. It should get even more interesting once I get the actual device turned on.

Stay tuned.

  • 5 votes
#2.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 2:01 PM EDT
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henry1966

Very interesting information Crusher.

I wish you all the best for your upcoming operation!

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:04 PM EDT
Crusher.

Thanks Henry, I knew I could count on you to comment on the article and wish me luck.

I'll keep you posted and in the mean time, friend request sent.

  • 4 votes
#3.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:09 PM EDT
henry1966

Friend request accepted :-)

  • 4 votes
#3.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 4:12 PM EDT
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Scott (Scoop) Butki

Fascinating - thanks for sharing this - clipped to my column and newsviner's picks.

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:26 PM EDT
Crusher.

Scott, since you get a lot of readers, thanks for the free word of mouth advertising.

  • 4 votes
#4.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:42 PM EDT
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GoldenGateMami_Susi

Crusher;

Thanks for the email headsup. Very interesting information and I'm so glad you are going to go through this process and you'll share it with us.

I wish you all the best and I look forward to hearing about your journey and progress.

:)

  • 3 votes
Reply#5 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:32 PM EDT
Crusher.

GGMS, you're such a sweet heart! You might be interested to know that one of the most irritating pundits @!$%#s in the country, Rush Limbaugh, wears a Cochlear Implant too...except, I'd rather be deaf than be forced to listen to him.

ok...ok...enough about politics:)

  • 5 votes
#5.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 5:50 PM EDT
GoldenGateMami_Susi

:) Thank you Crusher. Thanks for reminding me about Lush. What a waste on technology on that one.

  • 5 votes
#5.2 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:40 PM EDT
weRdoomed

A good reminder that life struggles make some people more compassionate and some people more selfish and disgusting.

  • 6 votes
#5.3 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:47 PM EDT
GoldenGateMami_Susi

Agreed, WeRdoomed.

:)

  • 4 votes
#5.4 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:57 PM EDT
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Crusher.

Here's an update for any of you who are still tracking the column and are interested in what a CI will sound like from my end.

PBS had a special on cochlear implants and I wanted to give an example of what a CI would sound like to a person who hears normally. Warning, Quicktime/iTunes required to use the link. Click here and turn up your sound, but not too loud ;)

  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Mon May 31, 2010 6:00 PM EDT
McSpocky

That is fascinating! I could understand him pretty well when it was using 16 and 22 electrodes.

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:42 AM EDT
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Ron B.

Outstanding article, crusher. Very interesting and informative, and well written. Will look forward to the others as you progress.

I was somewhat surprised to hear that the naturally deaf would begrudge a young child the ability to hear. How could you not be touched by the video of a child's 1st hearing sounds.

The demonstration of sounds from an implant are terrific. It spoke of number of channels, how many channels does one implant incorporate?

  • 4 votes
Reply#7 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:19 PM EDT
Crusher.

Good questions Ron and thanks for the support:

How could you not be touched by the video of a child's 1st hearing sounds.

Since I'm getting a CI, obviously, I'm not part of the Big Deaf community, so I can't speak for them. All I can do is encourage you or others to research on your own, the positions advocated by the 'Big D' community. I think with the onset and popularity of CIs, the Big D community will be slowly marginalized even further, so some resistance should be expected.

how many channels does one implant incorporate?

I think my device will have 24 channels, but I'll have to double check to be certain. Keep in mind the information in some links are a bit out of date.

  • 3 votes
#7.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 10:39 PM EDT
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Ron B.

Did you give us a date for your implant? If you did, I've lost it. I think you said June but don't remember a date.

  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Mon May 31, 2010 11:15 PM EDT
Crusher.

It's been rescheduled for June 9th. The date has bounced around a bit but beyond my control. I suspect it might have something to do with the surgeon leaving in August for a position at Cochlear Corp., which is a topic for my next journal entry on the subject.

  • 3 votes
#8.1 - Mon May 31, 2010 11:26 PM EDT
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McSpocky

This is very interesting to me and your article is very well written. I hope the best for you with the surgery, and I'm anxious to read your updates as you post them. :)

My step-dad, who passed away about 8 months ago, was almost deaf the last few years of his life. Once the hearing loss started, it became worse and worse. He tried hearing aids, but for some reason they didn't work very well for him. He was really embarrassed about it too, because people he had known for years would avoid him if they saw him in a store or other public place...just because he had such a difficult time understanding what they were saying.

  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:51 AM EDT
anonymous-1077600

Crusher, I really enjoyed all of your articles, and agree with the people above about how well written they are.

McSpocky, I have trouble hearing sometimes and it is really frustrating when people say, you only hear what you want. My reply is if I only heard what I want, I would hear everything!!

Crusher, I am soo glad you did the post operation update. Would still love to hear another article in the future about this and how much of a difference it is making since you have had this done.

I first thought that an expert had written the article because of your diagram/photo.

FR sent

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#9.1 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:54 PM EDT
Crusher.

Crusher, I am soo glad you did the post operation update. Would still love to hear another article in the future about this and how much of a difference it is making since you have had this done.

I'm happy to hear that my series has been beneficial for you and thanks for the kind words. If you or others have suggestions on what else I can write about, I'm open to ideas. I sort of feel like I've run out of ideas and don't want to repeat myself. I thought my last update (from last week) explained how much my life had improved, but if you want more details or have suggestions on a future article let me know and I'll try my best.

I first thought that an expert had written the article because of your diagram/photo.

I just used a google image search to get the diagrams and pasted them into the article.

FR sent

Gladly Accepted

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#9.2 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:05 PM EDT
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KyleN

Great article.

My son is one now and was born deaf, he is a canidate for a CI and we are going through all the testing etc to get him there currently. The latest test was just this past Friday mapping his brain responses to sound or rather lack thereof.

That video clip was really moving for me as I hope to be in her position sometime this year.

Good luck with your surgery!

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Reply#10 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 9:37 AM EDT
Crusher.

Wow, Kyle if I can help suggest anything let me know. I hope you have decent medical insurance to cover the surgery. Mind if I ask where you're planning to have the CI surgery for your son, performed? And have you decided which Cochlear company manufacturer you'll use for the surgery?

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#10.1 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
KyleN

We are working with a surgeon at Cooks Childrens hospital in Fort Worth, they are one of the top children's hospitals in the country. We have the literature for a couple but aren't far enough along yet to make a decision, they/we are trying first to determine if his hearing loss is actually due to missing hairs or a brain problem instead which CI wouldn't help.

We have good insurance, $9k cap then 100% up to $3 million I believe. I've maintained a HSA with sufficient money to always pay out the top ( $9k ) should it be necessary. This will actually be the second year in a row that will happen but that's the breaks, why you save in the good times :)

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#10.2 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 11:32 AM EDT
Crusher.

Well, with the good insurance, you'll manage to avoid some of the pitfalls that I had to deal with. Certainly sounds like you're taking the right steps by first determining if the auditory nerve is functioning properly, etc.

If he does eventually qualify for a CI, you'll have 3 choices. MED-EL, Advanced Bionics, or Cochlear Corp. I originally wanted to go with a MED-EL, but I could not have one donated so I had to settle with Cochlear Corp/Cochlear Americas - Nucleus 5 device. For your infant son, MED-EL makes a device fit especially for infants, though I'm not sure if the other two do as well.

From my understanding, try not to sweat it too much, choosing which company to buy the implant from. The reason is because ultimately they all essentially function and perform to the same capacity. There might be one with a few more bells and whistles but it won't amount to that big of a difference.

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#10.3 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT
Ron B.

Crusher, you see what procastination does? Look at the people you are helping now that you finally got around to writing that article!

You are going to be an invaluable source of information to a lot of people. Do yourself proud my friend!

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#10.4 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 4:42 PM EDT
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Crusher.

So any thoughts out there on what my next sub-topic should be regarding CIs?

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Reply#11 - Tue Jun 1, 2010 8:21 PM EDT
Ron B.

Get as much information as you can, I suggest from your doctor, about how the doctor comes to the conclusion one is a candidate, or not. What kind of preparation he must make for the procedure, before and after. What kinds of things does he watch out for during and after surgery, What kind of follow-up will be needed. Will the area be sore, if so, how long. What to do to take care of the area after surgery. End with something like, 'and I go in on (the date here) to get it turned on for the 1st time. To be continued...........

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#11.1 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 1:57 AM EDT
weRdoomed

I would like to see a topic on "sounds" in general. What are good sounds, what are bad sounds, do you dream with sound, etc?

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#11.2 - Wed Jun 2, 2010 11:47 AM EDT
anonymous-1077600

Crusher, I am still curious about weRdoomed's question on dreaming in sound, if you did while you had the problem or if you did not. Since you have the knowledge of sound did you continue to in your dreams, or did that also diminish in your dreams?

    #11.3 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:05 PM EDT
    Crusher.

    Crusher, I am still curious about weRdoomed's question on dreaming in sound, if you did while you had the problem or if you did not. Since you have the knowledge of sound did you continue to in your dreams, or did that also diminish in your dreams?

    It's a question that I don't know if I can provide an accurate response. Do normal hearing people hear actual sounds in their dreams or are they 'phantom' sounds where the brain thinks there is sound? When I do dream and actually remember them, I don't seem to recall hearing sounds too often. But it's funny, I had a dream a few days ago and thought I had heard (or maybe was singing?) the song, "Some sing low, some sing higher (A place in the choir)".

    During the time where I had no device to aid in my hearing, I don't recall if I heard sounds or not. It's the kind of question that I can't scientifically answer with absolute certainty.

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    #11.4 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:15 PM EDT
    anonymous-1077600

    Crusher, that is a good point. Then there are the dreams that you have when you hear something while you're sleeping and incorporate the sound into it!

    It was a curiosity type question, and I appreciate you giving it an answer that really makes a lot of sense. Just trying to think ahead, although I have a diminished amount of hearing only in one ear, I don't need any aid or anything yet, one never knows what could happen in the future. I think the way they test isn't the best way, we don't live in a sound proof room and in most situations there is outside noise which helps hide the sounds you are trying to hear!

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    #11.5 - Thu Oct 27, 2011 9:25 PM EDT
    Crusher.

    although I have a diminished amount of hearing only in one ear, I don't need any aid or anything yet,

    Although I'm not a doctor, based on my experience you might benefit from getting a hearing test done. You may hear well with just one ear, but having two good ears (one with a hearing aid) will improve your ability to better locate where a sound is coming from.

    I think the way they test isn't the best way, we don't live in a sound proof room and in most situations there is outside noise which helps hide the sounds you are trying to hear!

    Think about it this way, the technology already exists to re-create background noise to mask the sounds you're trying to hear. If it was important enough to incorporate that sort of test into the standard hearing test, I think they would have done it by now.

    A person with diminished hearing can sometimes experience 'phantom' sounds, a false-positive if you will, during a hearing test. In other words, you click the button when you think you've heard a sound but sometimes you click the button even when there was no actual beep. I wonder if it's those false-positive reports that actually indicate whether a person is in need of a hearing aid.

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    #11.6 - Fri Oct 28, 2011 12:22 PM EDT
    anonymous-1077600

    That is a good point about the false positives. I have heard that they have tests for white noise, but it is too expensive to do on the general population. I need to check it out and find out more about.

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    #11.7 - Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:20 PM EDT
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    Crusher.

    OK everyone, here is the link for the second part in this Cochlear Implant series, enjoy.

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    Reply#12 - Sat Jun 5, 2010 1:59 PM EDT
    Crusher.

    I'm back home safe from the surgery which took place today and I'm feeling pretty good. Not much pain right now, just some discomfort. But I got some decent pain meds to help when the need arises. I'll be checking back periodically until I can heal a bit more.

    Until then, feel free to read part 3.

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    Reply#13 - Wed Jun 9, 2010 6:51 PM EDT
    Crusher.

    Article 5 now up. Click here to read, and thanks for the support.

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    Reply#14 - Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:34 PM EDT
    McSpocky

    Awesome, I was wondering if you had updated this.

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    #14.1 - Tue Oct 18, 2011 11:34 AM EDT
    anonymous-1077600

    Looking forward to reading it! I liked WeRdoomed comments about the dreaming in sounds.

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    #14.2 - Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:22 PM EDT
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